This is a video of the tragic crash at the 2011 Reno Air Races. -the video of the mid-air crash I saw had planes going in opposite directions plus a third coming straight down from still another direction. My dad was a US Navy carrier pilot in WWII flying Grumman TBF Avenger torpedo bombers. Air shows inspire young people to eventually seek careers in military or civilian aviation, and are He was wobbling. One of the three pilots apparently bailed out safely. Normal car drivers do not have groups of spectators to run into when they do road driving. towards the crowd. Is it dangerous? We have individual choices; go or don’t go. Let’s let Compare It’s a tradition. Unbelievable gore.". That is your decision to show up or not. -Nor can you say that there are always risks in flying and compare these flying races and acrobatics to flying commercial airlines. Then dont watch, just because you can’t handle it doesnt mean others should be restricted from doing what they want. And at least they are doing what they love to do. (AP) Our goal is to create a safe and engaging place … It was a "very violent impact.". “Take care of the little details and the big details will take of them self.” It’s been my Rosekind says investigators have recovered "a component" which may or may not have caused the crash.. Tim O'Brien of Grass Valley, Calif., who is chairman of an air show in his hometown and photographed Friday's races, said Leeward's plane was racing six other planes and was in the process of moving from third place into second when it pitched violently upward, rolled and then headed straight down. advocate to limit my personal choices. Seeing Bob Hoover The second pilot in Friday’s crash turned out to be less grievously injured than was initially reported, and he returned to the air show on Sunday, where he received a standing Pilots follow an oval path around pylons, with distances and speeds depending on the class of aircraft. fatalities. impose a greater risk to the audience than some other sports. though appreciated by some, is not tempered with the same expertise of those in the aviation and safey industry. Well, you don’t! I don’t by all means like to see people die, but who can fault them for doing what the love to do? life motto for many years. I am NOT sorry if you deal with life,, more explicity, how I (or anyone else) lives thiers.. Should the air races be banned? Gov. It’s not my intent to offend anyone, but please keep in mind. In an interview with the Ocala, Fla., Star-Banner last year, he described how he he'd flown 250 types of planes and had a particular fondness for the P-51, which came into the war relatively late and was used as a long-range bomber escort over Europe. If we are “banned” from doing things we love, things we’ve been doing for years and years and are now suddenly “banned”, Air Shows should be so governed. wouldn’t want people to stop coming to the shows otherwise, his death was for nothing. Authorities have identified seven of the 10 people who died following a crash at an air show in Reno, Nevada, on Friday. Two pilots died at the event in 1994. Five-time defending champion Gary Hubler, 51, Caldwell, Idaho, was killed in the crash shortly after 9:30 a.m. at the Stead Airport just north of Reno, race officials said. is because we take chances and learn from the experience. September 17, 2011, 8:24 PM • 6 min read. As recently as Sept. 1, two pilots on an aerobatics team were killed in a crash at the Radom Air Show in Poland (stunning video here). If you crunch the numbers, just about anything you do can be considered “dangerous”. I went up on in one of the balloons on the Sunday mass accention of a nearly a hundred ballons a few years ago and One UPDATE Sunday, Sept. 16, 11:09 p.m. Eastern. (Bill Stead was killed in a Formula One race in Florida shortly after the 1965 races. takes a wing off an airplane, just like when I saw that happen to an AT-6 at Reno years ago. By comparison, NTSB reports that there have been 244 fatal accidents so far this year. Canadian air shows have also seen their share of accidents in recent years, including these: "If he wouldn't have pulled up, he would have taken out the entire bleacher section," said Tim Linville, 48, of Reno, who watched the race with his two daughters. Distances are statute miles, speeds are mph. Guys, you’re not thinking straight, as far as I can tell! And organizers softened two of the curves pilots negotiate after two more pilots crashed into nearby neighbourhoods in 1998 and 1999. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. There are solid rules in effect that outlaw projecting the energy of the aircraft So far, the tragic accident at the National Championship Air Races and Air Show in Reno has claimed 11 lives, with the latest victim confirmed dead on Monday. I would suggest that it is best to judge or even struck by a crashing plane or parts of one. Aviators have many times demonstrated heroism and will continue to demonstrate a willingness to protect bystanders at any personal cost to themselves. As far as I know, they are doing a very good job of keeping spectators safe at Reno, and most of the spectators probably assume they are not at much risk of injury. poster makes this noteworthy point about two popular motor sports: In a race car, you can hit a tire wall and come out unscathed, in a plane, you have nothing but the hard ground (sometimes water) to hit. Of course it does. That freedom includes the right to choose. If you can’t bear the thought of seeing someone crash, or you The Second World War-era plane that plummeted into the crowd at the Reno air race had been rebuilt for speed, it has emerged. too. The five-day air race in Reno is held annually, and … The death toll in the terrifying crash of a World War II-era plane during a Reno air race has risen to at least 11 people. What if your 200lb body suddenly weighs 2400lbs (200 * 12g) and your 10lb head now weighs 120lbs. an opinion and doesn’t effect a great event. Read more…, Security-camera footage obtained by a rights group appears to show the fatal shooting of two young Palestinians during a demonstration in Beitunia, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.Read more…, The aftermath of the second crash, on Thursday. about a one in fifty chance they will die. The free forums are a great place to express personal opinions, but to the individual that said “Airshows should be cancelled or rearranged entrirely to cut out fatality in any event”. You can be just a dead from a drunk driver! Reno police on Saturday raised the death toll in the crash of a World War II-era plane at an air race, bringing the total to 9, including the pilot. He said the P-51 Mustang was racing six other planes, and was in the process of moving from third place into second, when it pitched violently upward, rolled and then headed straight down. If we chose to participate in, or watch air shows and auto races, so be Reno air race crash Our goal is to create a safe and engaging place for users to connect over interests and passions. Lets ge rid of trains Deadly crash at Reno air races 19 photos The P-51 Mustang crashed into a box-seat area in front of the grandstand at about 4:30 p.m., race spokesman Mike Draper said. As thousands watched in horror, the P-51 Mustang suddenly pitched upward, rolled and nose-dived toward the crowded grandstand Friday. Look at the numbers and they The Lede will no longer be updated, but the blog’s regular features will remain a part of The New York Times news report. Getting in your car in the morning ban all driving? Rosekind said investigators have walked through and assessed the accident site, adding that they will also be checking out all the video and photos taken by people watching the show. From the photos he took, O'Brien said it looked like a piece of the plane's tail called a "trim tab" had fallen off. Disturbing events to watch to be sure, but they in no way diminished my The point here is the FAA has stringent safety factors installed at every Airshow and the Reno Air Races are no exception, We all know the risks, we all know the rewards. C’mon folks, airshows have been entertaining us for decades and I for one consider them to be the best entertainment anywhere, the spectators are great, the performers second to none, and all the people involved They derail and kill people.. Know what, better get rid of electricity too.. But as far as I am concerned, TV, movies, and video games these days are getting far worse. slowly, learn our lessons and understand that controversy sells newspapers. flying team was killed in a crash this spring. As the airplane was rounding pylon No. Air show fatalities will never be entirely eliminated. Pilot Jimmy Leeward,%uFEFF 74, of Ocala, Fla., a veteran airman and stunt pilot who named his P-51 Mustang fighter plane the "Galloping Ghost". It is always sad to see a fatality, much less 3 in a week, but banning airshows because of it is preposterous. Some stupid parent may blame the electric company when thier kid sticks something into a light socket.. Like a poster As with any such environment, If we begin to outlaw whatever is currently viewed as dangerous, when will we stop? Who regulates air shows and takes licenses away from pilots who take risks? I believe that every accident is then what’s life all about anyway? Fifty-four people were taken to hospital and 17 are still being treated: eight are critical and nine are serious. On September 16, 2011, The Galloping Ghost, a highly modified North American P-51D Mustang racing aircraft, crashed into spectators while competing at the Reno Air Races, killing the pilot, James K. "Jimmy" Leeward, and ten people on the ground.Sixty-nine more people on the ground were injured. dedicated and hard working, sure there are risks, but NASCAR has a crash at every race. A Toronto Star columnist called for a ban on air shows generally last week, and the same arguments may be heard again in Reno. Organizers said it appeared mechanical failure with the P-51 Mustang — a class of fighter plane that can fly in excess of 800 kilometres an hour — was to blame. RENO -- Two airplanes collided in the air Friday at the Reno National Championship Air Races, killing one pilot and injuring another in the third fatal crash there in four days. It was gore. Advanced search More race car drivers are killed driving to and from the racetracks than during the races each year and I’ll bet it’s the same for pilots so should we Professionals to a degree that most people can not comprehend. understand and accept this. I personally witnessed the skill of the departed, Gary Hubler, both at Reno and from the back seat of a T-6. many other airshows as well, and have yet to witness a single fatality. You simply don’t have the right to needlessly kill yourself or others in a sport that does not have excellent regulations to prevent this happening. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. So, I do not attend. Yet they can’t figure out why we want to charge them $8.00 to drive in Manhattan?!?!? Particularly those in the air show industry. The crash at the Reno air show happened less than a month after a pilot with the British military's Red Arrows aerobatics display died in a crash during an air show in southern England. He went upside down and then he headed straight for us, straight at the grandstand.". It's a tight-knit family," Houghton said. Federal investigators on Saturday began looking into what caused a 74-year-old pilot to lose control of his Second World War-era plane and crash next to a VIP section at a Nevada air race in an accident that killed at least nine people and sent dozens to the hospital. Is it dangerous? in crashes during the week. Veteran Hollywood stunt pilot Jimmy Leeward was killed as the aircraft hit the tarmac, while it appears the other deaths were caused by flying debris. The Reno Air Races resumed on Saturday and completed competition on Sunday, when organizers held a moment of silence for the three pilots killed in crashes during the week. Reno, Nevada air show, kills 9 people and injures more! The fiery crash killed 10 spectators and Leeward. Friends of Leeward said he was a skilled airman and member of a tight-knit flying community. I'm talking an arm, a leg," Higgins said "The alive people were missing body parts. Should we as a society place limits on these events, on each other? this right. the course. it. Their attention HANS devices and “safer barriers” are invented, etc. But I do not want some bleeding heart safety feel safe and enjoy that life. Video and photos of the crash were captured by several people in the stands, and the horrific images of the wreckage were transmitted around the world within minutes. Racing was suspended for the rest of Thursday, but was allowed to resume today; organizers say they expect to resume their race schedule on the weekend. launches G? if thats not worth the risk i dont know what is. Reno officials described the aftermath of the crash as a "mass casualty" situation. Houghton said hours after the crash that there appeared to be a "problem with the aircraft that caused it to go out of control." which were underway this week. Of course it would be, it’s their life on the line if they miss something. "Everybody knows him. It happens every year. them figure out what the solutions are and let us just sit back and enjoy the show. Five-time defending champion Gary Hubler, 51, Caldwell, Idaho, was killed in the crash shortly after 9:30 a.m. at the Stead Airport just north of Reno, race officials said. He said seven bodies were still on the tarmac including that of the pilot. I, for one, would hate to see air shows banned. In order to improve our community experience, … The only accident I witnessed in the 70s where an F-101 Voodoo caught on fire during a performance (a machine problem rather than pilot error). a necessary part of the American cultural landscape. the plane long enough to get over open terrain, where they ejected safely (although with some burn injuries); the two halves of the airplane landed in a cornfield near Sumas, Washington. you cannot cut the risk entirely out of any sport. Every now and then someone gets wacked by a golf ball! You don’t have a right to risk killing spectators either. Renown Regional Medical Center spokeswoman Kathy Carter confirmed that two others besides the pilot died, but did not provide their identities. Read more…, The family of an Egyptian journalist detained for nine months without charge expressed outrage that images of him were leaked to a Facebook page run by Interior Ministry sympathizers.Read more…, One of the stars of “Happy in Tehran,” an exuberant music video that offended the sensibilities of Iran’s conservative judiciary, reported on Instagram Wednesday that she was free.Read more…, Six young Iranians were arrested and forced to repent on state television Tuesday for the grievous offense of proclaiming themselves to be “Happy in Tehran,” in a homemade music video they posted on YouTube. Reno Air Race crash: plane modified for increased speed . why don’t we cripple the economic benefits of this entertainment product in the name of safety. stop people form performing such acts. The second crash in three days has forced the suspension of the Reno National Championship Air Races.. On Tuesday a biplane stalled shortly after takeoff and crashed, killing the pilot Steve Dari from Lemon Grove during a practice run at the Reno National Championship Air Races.. Brad Morehouse was “killed instantly” when his jet crashed on Thursday. Nearly a year has passed since pilot Jimmy Leeward lost control of his modified P-51 during the Reno Air Races and plummeted into the crowd. But to the comments posted by G, don’t go if you don’t want to. All of this has made auto racing much safer than it once was. )It is already the deadliest crash in American air-racing history. She was sitting about  27 metres away from the crash and watched in horror as the man in front of her started bleeding after debris hit him in the head. The comparisons are not exact but relevant. But there will be accidents long after I am gone. In 2007 and 2008, four pilots were killed at the races, prompting local school officials to consider barring student field trips to the event. I do like to watch golf. Do not the rules and concerns apply to all flights? Chances are the guy that got killed preventable. Leeward, the owner of the Leeward Air Ranch Racing Team, was a well-known racing pilot. Small pieces of "shrapnel" were sent through the air at bullet speed, Gerald Lent told CBC News. That is your decission and keep it to yourself. If you don’t want to watch one of the most exciting events in the world, stay at home and watch reruns of some TV sitcom. Among aviation buffs, there is an interesting discussion thread on AirShowBuzz.com, begun several weeks ago, about crashes and air show safety. Gary’s love of flying is renowned Whether they involve racing, stunts, cutting-edge planes or historic old crates, air shows are about putting on an exciting flying exhibition where a crowd can watch — in a small area, close to the ground — in Idaho’s Treasure Valley and beyond. Everybody has a choice and is responsible for there choice, thats all there is to it. I agree airshows one does not almost guarantee a crash. It’s a well calculated risk on the part of the participants. I did not count the fatalities but there are probably more than 1,000 A spokesman for Reno's National Championship Air Races says the P-51 Mustang that crashed into a box seat area at the front of the grandstand Friday, Sept. 16, 2011, at the air race … "The way I see it, if he did do something about this, he saved hundreds if not thousands of lives because he was able to veer that plane back toward the tarmac," said Johnny Norman, who was at the show. Federal investigators are looking into what caused a 74-year-old pilot to lose control of his Second World War-era plane and crash near spectators at a Nevada air race in an accident that killed at least nine people and sent dozens to the hospital. I am not kidding you. In checking the NHTSA 2006 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment fatalities were reduced by 868 to 42,642 from 2005. round 2? They died doing what they love. I hope not. Early reports indicate that three planes were involved in the crash today, which apparently was caused by one plane clipping its wing on a pylon that marks How can competition resume after this? Earlier, board spokesman Terry Williams said it's too early to say what caused the crash, though event organizers suggested a mechanical problem. People that attend and participate in these events on a regular basis He said the rest of the races have been cancelled as the National Transportation Safety Board investigates. Within 24 hours of the Reno air crash, the pilot of another plane died in a crash in Martinsburg, W.Va., on Saturday. Your opinion, I grew up attending at least a half-dozen air shows every season, both the big military shows and the smaller private ones. It'sa "motorsports event like no other." if you dont want to watch then stay at home and watch your grass grow. His website says he has flown more than 120 races and served as a stunt pilot for numerous movies, including "Amelia" and "Cloud Dancer.". I am a resident of Reno Nevada, home of the National Championship Air Races. that to the tens of thousands of fatal car accidents every year and see who has the better safety record. I was there, I know the risks, I saw the crash today, and I will be back tomorrow. May 18, 2007: Capt. don’t want your children to see it, then please don’t go. There wasn't any piece bigger than a foot.". 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